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 Post subject: Thoughts on the Coffee Party?
PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 12:49 pm 
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http://www.coffeepartyusa.com/mission-statement

This is probably old news/discussion at this point but I just wanted to see what people thought of it. I'm not a member but I do follow what they are up to out of a general interest in reform movements/alternative political parties.

I suppose my big critique is that (and this may have changed since their inception) they were too focused on getting Republicans and Democrats to work together, which is an odd platform for a third party. It assumed that the two parties could work together and if they did, the outcome would be beneficial to the American people.

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 Post subject: Re: Thoughts on the Coffee Party?
PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 11:30 am 
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I think the Coffee Party's intention was to reach out to the moderates in both parties and try to form a coalition based on discussion, trust and working together towards common goals. The constant bickering, fighting and demeaning of each other with slander gets us no where.

As an example, see here:
http://www.dancarlin.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=26027

We're too busy trying to slice each others throat as dirty "Liberal", "Conservative", "Libertarian", etc to actually work to help each other out.

But then again, that may be both Party's intention to begin with.

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 Post subject: Re: Thoughts on the Coffee Party?
PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 11:42 pm 
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I fully support the coffee party. The concept is great, but it seems to be too deeply rooted in leftist ideology to be very popular.

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 Post subject: Re: Thoughts on the Coffee Party?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:01 am 
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AverageJoe wrote:
I think the Coffee Party's intention was to reach out to the moderates in both parties and try to form a coalition based on discussion, trust and working together towards common goals. The constant bickering, fighting and demeaning of each other with slander gets us no where.

As an example, see here:
http://www.dancarlin.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=26027

We're too busy trying to slice each others throat as dirty "Liberal", "Conservative", "Libertarian", etc to actually work to help each other out.

But then again, that may be both Party's intention to begin with.


But we've seen what happens when they work together. When the people in Washington stop bickering and works together we all seem to get screwed.


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 Post subject: Re: Thoughts on the Coffee Party?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:17 am 
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evil muppet wrote:
But we've seen what happens when they work together. When the people in Washington stop bickering and works together we all seem to get screwed.

The Democrats and Republicans represent, for the most part, the oligarchy. The Coffee Party represents, in theory, the left and right wings of the People.

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 Post subject: Re: Thoughts on the Coffee Party?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 8:11 am 
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Here's my issue. We all listen to the podcast and we all know that there are several pillars of society that continue to exploit middle-class Americans...those of us that lean right have an issue with Big Government and those of us that lean left have an issue with Big Business. We can all agree that true, investigative journalism is lacking in Mainstream Media. And, I dare say, some of us have an issue with the current state of religion in this country. We continue to witness an alliance between progressives and libertarians on some of these issues.

Assuming these things are true, why is polite discourse the answer to those problems? Honestly, I feel that the American people are bullied from all sides and the Coffee Party's answer is "I would most appreciate it if you would stop punching my face, please."

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 Post subject: Re: Thoughts on the Coffee Party?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:41 am 
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but the Coffee Party doesn't represent me. All that lets get along, everyone pitch in and work together crap when that isn't what's needed in these times. Their basic message is that people shouldn't be trying to rock the boat. We don't need moderates to try to keep everyone lulled into a sense of passive acquiescence to the system. We need more radicals to disrupt the system.


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 Post subject: Re: Thoughts on the Coffee Party?
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evil muppet wrote:
But we've seen what happens when they work together. When the people in Washington stop bickering and works together we all seem to get screwed.


The Coffee Party message is for the people to work together, not the politicians. The idea is for the people to come to a common ground and then elect political figures that work for their collective voice towards common goals.

At least that's the jist of what I read in the Coffee Party site.

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 Post subject: Re: Thoughts on the Coffee Party?
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Is there anyone who doesn't claim to work for the people? What's the difference between them and the Tea Party that also says that it wants to bring the people together to elect people who will work for the American people and all that. That is just the standard vacuous rhetoric that is required in any democracy. Their website is rather thin on what they actually believe. They seem to be more worried about the process than with any actual principles. They started in response to what they perceived as the extremism of the Tea Party. They didn't like the more confrontational tactics and that the Tea Party tends to be right wing.

Essentially I see them as a group whose basic message is that we need a more left-moderate government in this country and that we shouldn't try to rock the boat. They believe that the way to improve the country is by adopting some kind of super-consensus.

What happens when the government does something to screw us over? People write a bunch of letters to their congressmen which they'll never read. They might hold signs. They complain a little bit but for the most part they eventually surrender to the demands of the government. Why should the government actually listen to us? They have little to fear from us. They certainly got no reason to listen to a bunch of milquetoast groups like the Coffee Party. People need to become much more confrontational and they need to be much more radical.


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 Post subject: Re: Thoughts on the Coffee Party?
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I am sure the Coffee Party might be a decent place to score though. As opposed to the Tea Party corral anyway.


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 Post subject: Re: Thoughts on the Coffee Party?
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Dr. Strangelove wrote:
I am sure the Coffee Party might be a decent place to score though. As opposed to the Tea Party corral anyway.


and I would strongly discourage attempting to score there and if you do score there.... never ever give her your name.


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 Post subject: Re: Thoughts on the Coffee Party?
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evil muppet wrote:
Dr. Strangelove wrote:
I am sure the Coffee Party might be a decent place to score though. As opposed to the Tea Party corral anyway.


and I would strongly discourage attempting to score there and if you do score there.... never ever give her your name.



Yeah.. that's a problem. For some reason.. I don't know why.. the crazy ones find me. Almost every time.


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 Post subject: Re: Thoughts on the Coffee Party?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 6:41 pm 
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My problem with groups like the coffee party is that I'm tired of hearing all of these calls for moderation. I believe both parties prop up the same power structure, and there are very few democratic candidates I would actually vote for. That being said, I have the pretty typical viewpoint that the democratic party is bad, but the republican party is worse. To me, all of these calls for "moderation" create a (possibly unintentional) false equivalency. An example I've seen in several places is when Jon Stewart was announcing his rally for Sanity and was calling out extremists on both sides: He compared people on the right calling Obama a "socialist" with people on the left calling Bush a "war criminal." What has been pointed out several times since then is that Bush actually is a war criminal, while Obama is obviously not a socialist (unless you count redistribution of wealth from the poor to the rich). This is what I hate whenever I hear people talk about moderation. One side exaggerates, or pushes strong views from time to time. The other side lives in a fantasy land where our insanely pro-business president is a secret Marxist, gay marriage is trying to destroy America, and global warming doesn't matter because Jesus is coming back soon anyways. When you call both sides wrong, you're discounting the fact that one side is considerably more wrong than the other


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