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Re: The Light Bulb

Postby hondo69 » Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:33 pm

Wow.

No wonder the country is so fucked up.
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Re: The Light Bulb

Postby Algr » Tue Aug 23, 2011 7:05 pm

hondo69 wrote:No wonder the country is so fucked up.

Yea, how dare we expect conservatives to take responsibility for the words that come out of their own mouths?

And we researched to find out if anybody on Fox News had ever said you're going to jail if you don't buy health insurance. Nobody's ever said it. - Bill O'Reilly
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Re: The Light Bulb

Postby hondo69 » Wed Aug 24, 2011 2:56 am

OK, for all you ultra sensative, ecumenical, and self-described magnanimously tolerant individuals on the left, a brief lesson in Reality 101: Common Phrases

Calling A Spade A Spade - this is NOT a racial slur but an expression of speaking frankly

Founding Fathers - although increasingly viewed as a sexist phrase all signers of the Declaration of Indepence were men

White Collar - this is NOT a racial slur but an expression of management positions, as opposed to Blue Collar, non-management positions


“Once again, we are seeing that the attempt to remove all bias from language is itself creating biases of their own,” said Paul JJ Payack, president and chief word analyst of The Global Language Monitor. “At this point it is becoming increasingly difficult to engage in any form of public dialogue without offending someone’s sensitivities, whether right, left or center.”

Yea, how dare we expect conservatives to take responsibility for the words that come out of their own mouths?


Obama says there will be "fiscal armageddon­" if debt ceiling is not raised.

Earlier this week, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) came under heavy criticism from the right wing for her dismissal of the town hall tea parties as nothing but “Astroturf.” She also noted the disturbing fact that participants have been “carrying swastikas and symbols like that.”

Maxine Waters: 'The tea party can go straight to hell'

Chris Matthews: 'Every single teabagger in America is white.'

"It's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." - Obama explaining his troubles winning over some working-class voters.

"The point I was making was not that Grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn't. But she is a typical white person, who, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know, you know, there's a reaction that's been bred in our experiences that don't go away and that sometimes come out in the wrong way, and that's just the nature of race in our society." - Obama

Yea, how dare we expect liberals to take responsibility for the words that come out of their own mouths?
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Re: The Light Bulb

Postby Algr » Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:35 pm

Calling A Spade A Spade, Founding Fathers, White Collar - I've never heard anyone criticized for saying these things: I'd defend someone who was. (Although I could see racist ways to use "Spade")

What is wrong with those "liberal" statements? The tea party was created by a massive publicity campaign by Fox news. That's what "astroturf" means. Swastikas and grotesque racist caricatures seem to be welcome at these rallies. America took real financial damage from just looking like we MIGHT default, any real economist would agree with Obama on this.

Matthews is wrong, I'm sure there are at least 20 black tea partiers in america.

Maxine Waters - that statement doesn't say anything about the tea party that could be rebutted - it just describes her own feelings. If Michele Bachmann said "I hate democrats" it would be one of the most honest and reasonable things she ever said.

they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion The truth can get lots of positions in trouble. Look at what happened to Newt Gingrich. On the other hand, why waste effort trying to appeal to people who hated Obama the second they saw his face or his party? They are going to keep inventing reasons to hate him forever, just like they did Clinton.

Obama loves his Grandmother and that is just evil!

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There, I've taken responsibility. Now before you change the subject, tell us why efficient light bulbs are akin to threats of violence. You opened this thread using a boldface lie about lightbulb costs to justify your position. Have you taken responsibility for that?
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Re: The Light Bulb

Postby hondo69 » Thu Aug 25, 2011 3:10 am

I am completely stumped how any human being in this country can understand the use of a common phrase such as "putting a gun to your head" as a threat of violence from the person who uses the phrase.

If I say Cash For Clunkers was a "red herring" is that also a threat of violence? Or is simply the word "gun" within the phrase that trips the wire? That's my hunch, but I really have no idea since I cannot for the life of me make the connection.

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When the law was initially passed the cost of the bulbs were dramatically higher. They have obviously become more reasonable since then. And I have no problem with an industry bringing new products to the market. If the products are better then the market will accept them, if they are not they will be rejected. In other words consumers would be free to choose to use them or not.

It would even be palatable, distastefule, but palatable, if the government decided to run an advertising campaign promoting the use of more efficient bulbs. Assuming the campaign would honestly present the facts the American public could then make their own choice. But that's not what we got.

Instead we have a government mandate that we must buy these bulbs. We have no choice. And that is not only un-Constitutional but un-American as well. The government has no right to pick winners and losers.
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Re: The Light Bulb

Postby Algr » Thu Aug 25, 2011 6:25 pm

hondo69 wrote:When the law was initially passed the cost of the bulbs were dramatically higher.

If you were planning on USING those bulbs then the cost of electricity would be many times the cost of the bulb itself. So even back then, the CFCs were cheaper then incandescents. And the law hasn't actually taken effect yet so the price when it passed is irrelevant.

hondo69 wrote:If the products are better then the market will accept them, if they are not they will be rejected.

You yourself are proof that this isn't true. You are ignoring the obvious in order to convince yourself that incandescents are cheaper so that you can be 'outraged' by having to buy CFCs. You haven't given me any logical reason why you want incandescents.

I started replacing burnt out bulbs with CFCs years before I knew about any laws. If you so desperately need incandescents for some reason you can still order them from mexico or something, no one is going to stop you.

Is the CFC law any less constitutional then the way we treat illegal immigrants? Is the war on drugs constitutional? Or warrantless wiretapping? Or secret prisons? Or the bank bailout?
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Re: The Light Bulb

Postby Dr. Strangelove » Thu Aug 25, 2011 6:39 pm

The law was dumb precisely because it pulls people like this out and further makes difficult ANY efforts to establish actually important regulations in the future. If you actually think this had ANYTHING other purpose than to rally the democratic base, then you truly are deluding yourself. Does it make a difference in energy consumption? I suppose so. Does it made a difference that actually matters? Probably not. But you damned well just gave the right wing more reason to be pissed off at nothing. Then when we actually want to pass real regulations -- like say reestablishing REAL regulations of the oil drilling industry after they left a still remaining pool of oil at the bottom of the ocean -- corporations and right wing interest groups (like Koch Bros) will fire up the tea party and libertarians groups to oppose it. Chances are high that the political resistance at that point will be so steep that there is no way to pass the legislation.

When you look at the people running the democratic party, and consider from where they receive their "funding", it becomes a little suspicious that they make a big deal out of something this stupid. It's kind of like Obama signing a mostly meaningless law to earn himself the title "socialist" (when the guy is actually right wing but whatever), and then when we want to get real changes pushed through, he "compromises" to all the right wing hostility.

Case in point: look at the mountain top removal issue. It's arguably far more important and actually meaningful regulation we need passed. But that didn't happen. Nor will it. Now when you want to get these laws passed, the light bulb people will already be fired up into frothing stupidity. Good luck with that. Meanwhile, go enjoy the Appalachian mountains while they still exist. And be sure to change your light bulbs!
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Re: The Light Bulb

Postby Atanamis » Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:21 pm

Algr wrote:
hondo69 wrote:When the law was initially passed the cost of the bulbs were dramatically higher.

If you were planning on USING those bulbs then the cost of electricity would be many times the cost of the bulb itself. So even back then, the CFCs were cheaper then incandescents. And the law hasn't actually taken effect yet so the price when it passed is irrelevant.
I've USED CFLs in various applications since the early 90s, and the color of them in the 90s simply wasn't what it is today. Every new bulb I've bought for the last 10 years has been a CFL if it would fit in the socket. Why? Because of the cost different in total lifetime usage. This is still s dumb thing to pass a law over. The market didn't "fail", it was (and is) still adjusting. Like Strangelove said, we should use government for things where force is really needed, and let things that will happen on their own happen on their own.
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Re: The Light Bulb

Postby hondo69 » Fri Aug 26, 2011 4:49 am

+1 for Doc

+1 for Atanamis


Just a crazy thought, but what would happen if our TV news networks changed their approach for one week straight? Instead of Fox bashing Obama and the other 8 networks bashing Bush, what if they reported real news, the important stuff?

Maybe, just maybe, after sitting in their Lazy-boys pissing themselves in shock for the first few days Americans might just rise up and take to the streets. Get some good old fashioned protests going Arab Spring style. I think of this becaue football season is getting ready to start, which means LA will burn sometime during the next few months. Just once couldn't LA burn for a just cause?
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Re: The Light Bulb

Postby Atanamis » Fri Aug 26, 2011 8:24 am

I suspect if the networks started reporting news, the viewers would tune out. Fox News is the most watched cable news station because the majority of Americans WANT their biases proven to be true. This is a large part of what is drawing the rest of the "news" stations into the same trap. I think there IS a significant minority out there which wants real news, but these people are mostly already aware of what is going on anyway. If we were going to riot we would have already. The key thing we need to do to turn things around is not rioting, it is a massive anti-incumbent movement. Vote out every single office holder until someone comes along that you LIKE. Stop settling for incumbents that are better than the alternative, or that are better than the last guy. A decade of constant CHURN in Washington would shake things up far more than riots or protests.

Washington doesn't change because we let people go there and stay for decades. Even the new guys just get roped into the mess. If in ten years there are no politicians in Washington that there are today, we will have the first real change for change in decades. THEN we can rally around people who will actually represent our interests, and hope they will actually be able to do something. As long as my state Senators are guaranteed their seat because they are incumbents though, they have absolutely no reason to listen to me, or care about riots. Our government is fully equipped and ready to put down riots if we go that route, and to represent them as anti-American criminal activities. And the majority will nod their head and agree.

The answer is a unified anti-incumbent movement for a decade or more, followed by a search for real leaders. If THAT doesn't work (such as due to electoral fraud), we won't have much option left but violent overthrow of the government, which would REQUIRE support from the armed forces. To get THAT, we would need hard evidence that the Constitution is being completely ignored and we are being ruled by tyrants. Best way to prove we are ruled by tyrants? Have a massively large political unit which can clearly demonstrate that despite controlling a majority of votes their candidates are being refused office. I figure at the very least this whole cycle takes 30 years to complete, which would line up with massive budget problems for the government as well. I am extremely hopeful we can FIX things before that point, but who knows?
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Re: The Light Bulb

Postby boethius » Fri Aug 26, 2011 9:46 am

skengman wrote:
hondo69 wrote:It's OK to be young and foolish, you're supposed to be.

But when you get older you'll understand phrases such as "put a gun to your head" and "cut and run" are expressions used by adults to convey a message.


no, theyre phrases used by paranoid weirdos, shifty-eyed creeps who get mad at signs and wear a tri-corner hat to work.

what message exactly are you trying to convey when you say there's a gun to your head. i mean aside from trying to portray yourself as some victim of government violence. which you are not.

Except that the government actually DOES put a gun to people's heads over trivial regulatory matters--like the armed raid at the Gibson guitar factory because they might have imported the wrong kind of wood, an infraction that carries a $250 fine.

So when people say that there is a gun to their head behind each and every regulation, that gun does not always remain metaphorical...

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45785

On August 24, 2011, around 8:45 a.m. CDT, agents for the federal government executed four search warrants on Gibson’s facilities in Nashville and Memphis and seized several pallets of wood, electronic files and guitars. Gibson had to cease its manufacturing operations and send workers home for the day, while armed agents executed the search warrants. Gibson has fully cooperated with the execution of the search warrants.

This actually happened once before:

In 2009, more than a dozen agents with automatic weapons invaded the Gibson factory in Nashville. The Government seized guitars and a substantial amount of ebony fingerboard blanks from Madagascar. To date, 1 year and 9 months later, criminal charges have NOT been filed, yet the Government still holds Gibson’s property.
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Re: The Light Bulb

Postby Gregg » Fri Aug 26, 2011 10:23 pm

boethius wrote:Except that the government actually DOES put a gun to people's heads over trivial regulatory matters--like the armed raid at the Gibson guitar factory because they might have imported the wrong kind of wood, an infraction that carries a $250 fine.

So when people say that there is a gun to their head behind each and every regulation, that gun does not always remain metaphorical...

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45785

On August 24, 2011, around 8:45 a.m. CDT, agents for the federal government executed four search warrants on Gibson’s facilities in Nashville and Memphis and seized several pallets of wood, electronic files and guitars. Gibson had to cease its manufacturing operations and send workers home for the day, while armed agents executed the search warrants. Gibson has fully cooperated with the execution of the search warrants.

This actually happened once before:

In 2009, more than a dozen agents with automatic weapons invaded the Gibson factory in Nashville. The Government seized guitars and a substantial amount of ebony fingerboard blanks from Madagascar. To date, 1 year and 9 months later, criminal charges have NOT been filed, yet the Government still holds Gibson’s property.


This is why government should not be acting as the class monitor and creating silly regulations that enforce a few, very controlling, peoples views and preferences. Consumers should decide what light bulbs they want to buy, not some bureaucrat in Washington, DC. The latter always leads to an abuse of power.
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Re: The Light Bulb

Postby hondo69 » Sun Aug 28, 2011 1:34 am

In the end we'll always be able to have our choice of bulbs.

Either the law will be repealed or a black market will develop on it's own. It really has nothing to do with market viability, cost per bulb or saving the planet. But it has everything to do with what the Framers feared most of all, big government.
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Re: The Light Bulb

Postby Dr. Strangelove » Sun Aug 28, 2011 1:46 am

:lol:

If your incandescent light bulb black market goes as well as the shower head black market, be sure to let us know.
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Re: The Light Bulb

Postby hondo69 » Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:05 pm

Mexico, our last great hope, Mexico.
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