Not trolling you. Simply pointing out to the rest of the forum that you're incapable of reading the simple English statements I write.

I said in plain 3rd-grade level english:"The Jews are the descendants of the tribe of Judah, one of twelve Hebrew tribes, Hebrews being a semitic people. It certainly can be an ethnic group depending on usage."

Now, 99.99999999% of the non-moronic branch of the species was able to grasp the concept, but you (genius that you are) have decided what I really said was "Ashkenazi aren't Jews".

Maybe dumb-asses are revered where you come from, but here we tend to expose them for the fools they are and send them on their way.

Oh, boy, I bet you sure think that you told me! You self-aggrandize much, you bit of fluff?

Is It a Culture or Ethnic Group?Most secular American Jews think of their Jewishness as a matter of culture or ethnicity. When they think of Jewish culture, they think of the food, of the Yiddish language, of some limited holiday observances, and of cultural values like the emphasis on education.

Those secular American Jews would probably be surprised to learn that much of what they think of as Jewish culture is really just Ashkenazic Jewish culture, the culture of Jews whose ancestors come from one part of the world. Jews have lived in many parts of the world and have developed many different traditions. As a Sephardic friend likes to remind me, Yiddish is not part of his culture, nor are bagels and lox, chopped liver, latkes, gefilte fish or matzah ball soup. His idea of Jewish cooking includes bourekas, phyllo dough pastries filled with cheese or spinach. His ancestors probably wouldn't know what to do with a dreidel.

There are certainly cultural traits and behaviors that are shared by many Jews, that make us feel more comfortable with other Jews. Jews in many parts of the world share many of those cultural aspects. However, that culture is not shared by all Jews all over the world, and people who do not share that culture are no less Jews because of it. Thus, Judaism must be something more than a culture or an ethnic group.

http://www.jewfaq.org/judaism.htm

I did just tell you, hence you've been:



But I'm not under any impression that you'll learn from it.

Wow, you posted a pic of pwnage, and you think that you've won an arguement? So am I to assume that I'm a dog since your avatar is a cat? Not a good choice for you. You obviously don't have enough wit to respond to the link I posted.

http://www.jewfaq.org/judaism.htm

According to this site, I am correct, and that'll be the case until you actually enter in some reasonable arguements of your own instead of sophomoric humor. That's not how you win, fluffy!

There's nothing to win, genius.

I'm right, the Jews are certainly an ethnicity particularly when you're talking about the people who descended from the Semitic tribe of Judah. Duhhhh! That's not up for debate, it's a known fact. I'm glad you're smart enough to google the word jew, and sorry you're not smart enough to realize that some random internet schmuck opining over what he considers Judaism in some FAQ doesn't mean dick.

The genes don't lie. We can trace the mitochondrial DNA, we can visit the excavated sites, we have their books, and we know where (and whom) their descendants are. All of these things are easily more than enough to trump your general ignorance of what jews are.

Have some more:

"No bit of minutia too small to arouse my ire." Me neither.

What didn't you understand about this?:

"There are certainly cultural traits and behaviors that are shared by many Jews, that make us feel more comfortable with other Jews. Jews in many parts of the world share many of those cultural aspects. However, that culture is not shared by all Jews all over the world, and people who do not share that culture are no less Jews because of it. Thus, Judaism must be something more than a culture or an ethnic group."

No critique of this information? You got nothing except for your pictures. Don't feel bad, everyone has to loose every once and a while, DBTrek.

I'll try to break it down to it's simplest form so that you may stand a chance of grasping what is obvious to the other 99.999999999% of earthlings. You ready?

YOU said: " 'Jewish' is not an ethnic group."
... and you're absolutely, indisputably, wrong.

I pointed out "The Jews are the descendants of the tribe of Judah, one of twelve Hebrew tribes, Hebrews being a semitic people. It certainly can be an ethnic group depending on usage."

Then you went yammering on about the Ashkenazi as if their existence somehow disproves that 'Jew' can be used as an ethnic term. But it doesn't and so you only manage to make yourself look a little sillier (and wrong twice). Now you've found some random Jew FAQ where the author is waxing philosophical over what it means to be Jewish; but his random thoughts don't make Ethnic Jews any less Jewish than the existence of the Ashkenazi.

Hence you are a three time loser, at current count (and I'm sure the count will be going up).

I hereby graduate you to FAIL LORD:

You evidently don't know how to be a gracious loser. I'm sorry that I can't teach you.

Now are you going to rebut my claim, or aren't you? All you've done is called a bunch of names, posted some pics (which are hilarious by the way), and offered no arguements of your own to prove your point.

Back in earlier times, sure, 'Jew' and 'Jewish' literally meant of the Tribe of Judah. But we're in the 21st c., pal. Judaism has gone global. It does not refer to one particular ethnic group; that's an impossibly narrow minded view of Judiaism.

I've all ready beaten you in to the ground, sorry. You see, you're manifesting ignorance on such an extraordinary level that I don't really need to do anything else. You not knowing Jews can refer to an ethnicity is like someone not knowing that Turkey is both a country and an animal. I mean seriously, if you don't realize what is common knowledge to most of humanity the onus is on you to catch up, not the rest of us to gracefully bear your ignorance.

But you know you're wrong, as you admit later, so what's the point?


Oh I see . . . so in your genius interpretation of what happened after 'earlier times' the Jews somehow stopped being a genetic line of people. Ah, of course. That makes about as much sense as anything else you've said.



Actually, a truly ignorant and narrow minded view would look something like this:
Junius: " 'Jewish' is not an ethnic group."
Derrr....derrrr........derrrrrr.....

You're so extraordinarily and obviously wrong (as you well know) that there's nothing more for me to say. You can proclaim Jews aren't an ethnicity until the cows come home if you like, you'll still be dead wrong.

You'll still be full of. . .


Watching you spasm while hoisted on your own petard is amusing however, so please continue.

You're good, DB--I don't care what they say about you.

We've disagreed before and I'm sure we will again, but I truly admire your temerity!

Are Jews an ethinicty, a religous group, or a race? Who really cares? Jews are Jews because their mommies were Jews. That part is quite simple. I don't know why you want to waste your vitriol on this... guy.

It seems to me that someone in Iowa needs another cob for his cornhole.

You haven't even scored a single point in this little debate.

You've produced no evidence, rebutted no arguments. All you've done is call names and post pics. I've been told that it hurts to lose, and I'm here to tell you that it's okay, DBTrek. I almost pity your disillusionment, though I am beginning to see why they are calling you names in other threads.

Am I to assume that you've stopped debating because you realize your error?

Assume whatever you like.

No wait, keep assuming that "'Jewish' is not an ethnic group", except when it is; like back in the old days before all the original Jews stopped being an ethnicity or something . . .

Please, continue to enlighten us all.

Typical crassness from a marble-mouthed "mook".

'Jewish' does not refer to a particular ethnic group, just like "Christian" does not refer to a particular ethnic group. You wouldn't say that someone is ethnically "Christian" or ethnically "Muslim", or "Buddhist".

You've caught me in a charitable mood, so I'm going to entertain your nonsense. Get a pencil and paper ready, here we go:
1. Jewish is by definition:


So Jewish refers to the language (Yiddish) or the characteristics/customs of the Jews.
2. An Ethnic Group is by definition:


Notice how both language and characteristics are part of the core definition for the word Jewish and ethnic? How odd, wouldn't you say guv'nuh? It's almost like Jewish can be used as a synonym referring to the ethnic culture and customs of the Jews!

Knowledge of what the words mean should have brought you a long way towards understanding the problems with a statement like "Jewish' is not an ethnic group". You don't even really need these web sites about Jewish Ethnic Groups . . . the ones that don't exist, of course :

Israeli Jewish Ethnic Groups:
http://www.country-studies.com/israel/jewish-ethnic-groups.html

Ethnic Divisions Among Jews:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ethnic_divisions

Article on different Jewish Ethnicities:
http://www.myjewishlearning.com/beliefs/Theology/Who_is_a_Jew/Types_of_Jews/Ethnic_Diversity.shtml

Random News Articles referring to Jewish Ethnic Groups
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/1938047,CST-EDT-esther14.article

http://www.latimes.com/theguide/holiday-guide/food/la-fo-hanukkah9-2009dec09,0,2436488.story

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A10067-2002Oct10

Thank you, do come again!