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Re: The Molotov Cocktail Party

Postby Occam » Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:24 pm

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Re: The Molotov Cocktail Party

Postby Kath » Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:26 pm

Chris73 wrote:Not really. Violence is just not a banner I leap towards with enthusiasm.

I don't have a quote. Just wanted to say that I resemble this remark.

I loathe violence. It should be our very last option. We aren't there.
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Re: The Molotov Cocktail Party

Postby Occam » Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:37 pm

Kath wrote:I don't have a quote. Just wanted to say that I resemble this remark.

I loathe violence. It should be our very last option. We aren't there.

I agree. We aren't there. Yet.

I believe it is in our interests to be ready if and when we do get there.

The general who wins the battle makes many calculations in his temple before the battle is fought. The general who loses makes but few calculations beforehand.
-Sun Tzu

I would like to see the American people be the calculated general this time. That starts with accepting the possibility of difficulties and conflict.



Thus, what is of supreme importance in war is to attack the enemy's strategy.
-Sun Tzu

The strategy of our enemy is to use fear to divide and control us. To attack this fear, we must embrace it, and prepare for it. For once the American People stop being afraid, little will stand in our way.
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Re: The Molotov Cocktail Party

Postby Chris73 » Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:52 pm

General Tzu,

Who exactly is the enemy?
'Ares urged on the Trojans,
while bright-eyed Athena kept rousing the Achaeans.
With them came Terror, Fear, and tireless Strife,
sister and companion of man-destroying Ares—
at first small in stature, she later grows enormous,
head reaching heaven, as she strides across the earth.
Strife went through crowds of soldiers, casting hatred
on both sides equally, multiplying human miseries.' - Homer, Iliad 4.440

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Re: The Molotov Cocktail Party

Postby Occam » Fri Nov 12, 2010 1:10 pm

Powerful interests who would seek to control Americans, take their freedoms, and take the fruit of their labor. Some large corporations fit this definition, using the government and its system of laws to create a society of the powerful and the peasants, with little in between.

One can see the power shifting away from the people, as more of our wealth is funneled to those in the Military Industrial Complex, the Medical Industrial Complex, the Financial Industrial Complex. These sectors have become the breeding grounds of corruption, and the American people are compelled by law to support these destructive institutions, lest they face severe fines or imprisonment.

We are slowly but surely becoming slaves to these well-connected wolves. I do not believe the system as it stands is capable of correcting itself. I believe Americans will have to unite to take back their freedom and forge a new agreement with the structures of power. It may eventually come to bloodshed, but I believe a prepared and united America can avoid that bloodshed, if we so desire.
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Re: The Molotov Cocktail Party

Postby Chris73 » Fri Nov 12, 2010 1:23 pm

Mhmm.

And where exactly does this come into the equation against large monied interests aka the enemy

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while bright-eyed Athena kept rousing the Achaeans.
With them came Terror, Fear, and tireless Strife,
sister and companion of man-destroying Ares—
at first small in stature, she later grows enormous,
head reaching heaven, as she strides across the earth.
Strife went through crowds of soldiers, casting hatred
on both sides equally, multiplying human miseries.' - Homer, Iliad 4.440

'Don't get all :facepalm: with me,...' - Benkei

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Re: The Molotov Cocktail Party

Postby Occam » Fri Nov 12, 2010 1:31 pm

Chris73 wrote:Mhmm.

And where exactly does this come into the equation against large monied interests aka the enemy

Image

A worst case scenario.

I presume you've heard of carrots and sticks? That would be the stick.
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Re: The Molotov Cocktail Party

Postby Chris73 » Fri Nov 12, 2010 1:34 pm

Who gets it thrown at them?
'Ares urged on the Trojans,
while bright-eyed Athena kept rousing the Achaeans.
With them came Terror, Fear, and tireless Strife,
sister and companion of man-destroying Ares—
at first small in stature, she later grows enormous,
head reaching heaven, as she strides across the earth.
Strife went through crowds of soldiers, casting hatred
on both sides equally, multiplying human miseries.' - Homer, Iliad 4.440

'Don't get all :facepalm: with me,...' - Benkei

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Re: The Molotov Cocktail Party

Postby Occam » Fri Nov 12, 2010 1:39 pm

Chris73 wrote:Who gets it thrown at them?

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. As Kath pointed out, we aren't there yet.
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Re: The Molotov Cocktail Party

Postby Chris73 » Fri Nov 12, 2010 2:05 pm

Occam wrote:
Chris73 wrote:Who gets it thrown at them?

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. As Kath pointed out, we aren't there yet.


Lemme help you out.

It ain't gonna be
Powerful interests who would seek to control Americans, take their freedoms, and take the fruit of their labor. Some large corporations fit this definition, using the government and its system of laws to create a society of the powerful and the peasants, with little in between.


aka Image

It's gonna be these guys Image

Who most of the time look like this Image

when they're not called out to deal with assholes like this Image


I mean, I wonder if any of these guys Image are thinking about protecting the
Powerful interests who would seek to control Americans, take their freedoms, and take the fruit of their labor. Some large corporations fit this definition, using the government and its system of laws to create a society of the powerful and the peasants, with little in between.


What is he thinking? Image





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'Ares urged on the Trojans,
while bright-eyed Athena kept rousing the Achaeans.
With them came Terror, Fear, and tireless Strife,
sister and companion of man-destroying Ares—
at first small in stature, she later grows enormous,
head reaching heaven, as she strides across the earth.
Strife went through crowds of soldiers, casting hatred
on both sides equally, multiplying human miseries.' - Homer, Iliad 4.440

'Don't get all :facepalm: with me,...' - Benkei

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Re: The Molotov Cocktail Party

Postby Occam » Sat Nov 13, 2010 6:59 am

You seem fascinated with violence against police officers. I can't say I share your fascination.
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Re: The Molotov Cocktail Party

Postby Chris73 » Sat Nov 13, 2010 10:16 am

:lol:

That's quite the evasion.
'Ares urged on the Trojans,
while bright-eyed Athena kept rousing the Achaeans.
With them came Terror, Fear, and tireless Strife,
sister and companion of man-destroying Ares—
at first small in stature, she later grows enormous,
head reaching heaven, as she strides across the earth.
Strife went through crowds of soldiers, casting hatred
on both sides equally, multiplying human miseries.' - Homer, Iliad 4.440

'Don't get all :facepalm: with me,...' - Benkei

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Re: The Molotov Cocktail Party

Postby filter_select » Sat Nov 13, 2010 4:08 pm

Occam wrote:You seem fascinated with violence against police officers. I can't say I share your fascination.

He may be referring to the burning of GM crops grown by the US Biotech company Syngenta in Spain on 12 July. Or he may be referring to a new and novel way of getting his BBQ going... it's hard to tell ;)
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Re: The Molotov Cocktail Party

Postby Dr Gonzo » Mon Nov 15, 2010 3:10 pm

Chris73 wrote: What is he thinking? Image







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Re: The Molotov Cocktail Party

Postby qwiksilver » Mon Nov 15, 2010 3:15 pm

Want to really make our government nervous?

Everyone go re-register to vote and check "decline to state" when it asks for a party.

More and more people are doing this and it is making the parties nervous. Becoming an independent states you are not going to follow any particular rhetoric and that they really have to work for your vote.

But remember this:

When the dictator finally materializes in this country, the first people they will round up and execute in local sports stadiums will be the independents. Dictators hate people who think outside the party line.
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