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Lie Seeking Missle
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Post subject: Bill Of Rights > Pledge of Allegiance Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:20 am |
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Instead of reciting the Pledge of Allegiance, shouldn't the kids perhaps recite the Bill of Rights even if it takes a bit longer ?
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boethius
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Post subject: Re: Bill Of Rights > Pledge of Allegiance Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:43 am |
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The Bill of Rights as written, or what's left of them in practice?
The latter would save considerable time....
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The Mad Zeppelineer
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Post subject: Re: Bill Of Rights > Pledge of Allegiance Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:45 am |
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That be a long ass morning announcements...
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AndySike
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Post subject: Re: Bill Of Rights > Pledge of Allegiance Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:49 pm |
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I don't say the Pledge anyways. Why should I pledge allegiance to a corrupt nation, where I learn nothing useful, and I have to swear to a God I don't believe in.
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Gregg
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Post subject: Re: Bill Of Rights > Pledge of Allegiance Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 8:51 pm |
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Lie Seeking Missle wrote: Instead of reciting the Pledge of Allegiance, shouldn't the kids perhaps recite the Bill of Rights even if it takes a bit longer ? I like that idea!
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WillyGilligan
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Post subject: Re: Bill Of Rights > Pledge of Allegiance Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 2:40 pm |
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Not a fan. Not because I dislike the Bill of Rights, but because rote repetition:learning::sledgehammer:screws. It will get it in there, but it blunts the best features. Listen to a classroom reciting the Pledge sometime. It's atonal repetition of sounds, looks like the cult of personality nonsense we used to mock dictatorships for, and only appears to engender an idolatry for the flag with no regard for the principles of our country. You really want to make the Bill of Rights some rote chore that signifies "that thing we used to do before the morning announcements"?
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Gregg
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Post subject: Re: Bill Of Rights > Pledge of Allegiance Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 6:09 pm |
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WillyGilligan wrote: Not a fan. Not because I dislike the Bill of Rights, but because rote repetition:learning::sledgehammer:screws. It will get it in there, but it blunts the best features. Listen to a classroom reciting the Pledge sometime. It's atonal repetition of sounds, looks like the cult of personality nonsense we used to mock dictatorships for, and only appears to engender an idolatry for the flag with no regard for the principles of our country. You really want to make the Bill of Rights some rote chore that signifies "that thing we used to do before the morning announcements"? I agree with you if you mean schools forcing kids to recite the Bill of Rights each day. But, parents should teach their kids the rights that they have as included in the Bill of Rights. Also, repetition is a valid learning technique.
_________________ "Our founding documents proclaim to the world that freedom is not the sole prerogative of a chosen few. It is the universal right of all of God's children". Ronald Reagan.
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Okeefenokee
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Post subject: Re: Bill Of Rights > Pledge of Allegiance Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 3:16 pm |
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i agree it loses its meaning. both the pledge and the national anthem are just syllables. it was a long time before i went through the words of the anthem and understood what it said.
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Dr. Strangelove
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Post subject: Re: Bill Of Rights > Pledge of Allegiance Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 3:43 pm |
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I don't think many Americans have any idea what emotion the poem was meant to convey. They have no concept of what it was like for the man to watch his nation attacked, to wonder all night if his countrymen would endure, and then to see his flag still raised in defiance of such a brutal night's attack. Americans no longer truly deserve the assumption that they shall always have a nation. They abrogated their responsibility to it. They no longer even care much that it might endure.
Before this gets any better, Americans will know first hand what Francis Scott Key felt on the deck of any enemy frigate, wondering if his nation would ever again exist.
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Okeefenokee
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Post subject: Re: Bill Of Rights > Pledge of Allegiance Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 3:58 pm |
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i feel like i'm watching the falcons lose. they're down by 30 or 40 and are getting smashed, but i keep watching until the end with a glimmer of hope that as long as there is time on the clock, they can still come back to win. others around have no illusions of the outcome and know i must be a true fan to continue watching with a faint hope until the end counts down.
_________________ "The aftermath of nonviolence is the creation of the beloved community. The aftermath of nonviolence is redemption. The aftermath of nonviolence is reconciliation. The aftermaths of violence are emptiness and bitterness. This is the thing I’m concerned about. Let us fight passionately and unrelentingly for the goals of justice and peace, but let’s be sure that our hands are clean in this struggle. Let us never fight with falsehood and violence and hate and malice, but always fight with love, so that...we will be able to live with people as their brothers and sisters." MLK
I'm just going to work harder so that the insurance companies will cum harder when they rape me. drtrech
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