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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 10:32 am 
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Well, I guess this is good news for the ultra rich.... :?

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Supreme Court strikes down aggregate campaign giving limits

The Supreme Court on Wednesday delivered another blow to already rickety limits on campaign contributions, ruling that caps on the total amount of money an individual can give to political campaigns, PACs and parties are unconstitutional.

In the 5-4 ruling, the court’s Republican-appointed justices joined in overturning the so-called aggregate limits on the grounds that they violated the First Amendment, while the Democratic appointees dissented — insisting that the caps were constitutional as a means to guard against corruption and circumvention of the still-valid limits on donations to individual campaigns and political committees.

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 Post subject: Re: SCOTUS strikes down aggregate campaign giving limits
PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 10:42 am 
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They (those ritsy folks) can spend unlimited amounts of money for campaigns and not have to pay for contraceptions to boot*.


*Pending decision of course.

But it's no surprise. The writing was on the wall, they just needed a case to make it possible.

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The idea of limiting the number of causes you can support was flawed from the beginning.

This ruling isn't the cause of a problem, just another way you can complain about Citizens United.

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A more effective strategy would involve laws which require legislators to recuse themselves from any vote in which they have substantial financial interest or received significant amounts of financial contributions from directly affected parties. Doing that would neuter the ability for corporations, unions, and interest groups to bribe legislators through campaign contributions rather than attempting the same effect by proscribing fundamental human rights like the freedom of speech.

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Our elected reps are pretty much middle management for the real powers that run the nation at this point. I wonder if the Bosses of America will ever cut them loose and just run the USA directly. I mean, inept middle management costs so much in overhead, it's not really in the best interest of the shareholders.

Do we really need elected officials anymore?
Can't the special interests just legislate directly?
How many jobs do elected officials create anyway?
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 Post subject: Re: SCOTUS strikes down aggregate campaign giving limits
PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 12:56 pm 
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But DBTrek, that's impossible! How will the wealthy maintain control without the bureaucracy?


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Atanamis wrote:
But DBTrek, that's impossible! How will the wealthy maintain control without the bureaucracy?


Through jobs.
I hear they're all a bunch of miracle job creators.
They can just say "Accept our rule, or you're out of work staring tomorrow".


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Rome had a senate long after history stops calling then a republic.

Heck Byzantine's set up a senate in Constantinople specifically to pretend to give powers to.

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 Post subject: Re: SCOTUS strikes down aggregate campaign giving limits
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Before the wealthy donated to Super PACs which donated to campaigns. Now they're giving directly.

In theory, this makes things more transparent. But what will the disclosure requirements be?

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This is just so troubling to me at a fundamental level. How can speech be free if you have pay for it? Then doesn't that make it not free? Maybe we need to distinguish between free speech and "paid" or "earned" speech.


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That's 5 sons of bitches who are directly responsible for the death of Democracy.


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 Post subject: Re: SCOTUS strikes down aggregate campaign giving limits
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Please.

Allowing one to directly contribute $2,000 to as many people as you like, when you could already make an unlimited amount through superpac contributions changes next to nothing.

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Well, at least you might see the end of some Super PAC's if there is no limit to the amounts people can donate. So, some good there right? :?

Next step for SCOTUS is to remove all remaining caps in place. They came close today and the next trial on campaign donations is just the technical road bump along the path.

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For those against this ruling, what is the in practice problem this ruling created?

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 Post subject: Re: SCOTUS strikes down aggregate campaign giving limits
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nmoore63 wrote:
For those against this ruling, what is the in practice problem this ruling created?


Not giving you the opportunity to bemoan the coming of Ceaser.
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